Saying the KKK is to Christianity what ISIS is to Islam is not true

It is a convenient, and I’ll admit, still a somewhat helpful statement to say, “What the KKK is to Christianity is what ISIS is to Islam.”  The problem with it is, it is not true.

By “not true,” I mean it is not objectively, factually, academically true.  Not because I said so, but because of one crucial distinction:

The KKK is disobeying what the Bible commands, while ISIS is obeying what the Qur’an says. 

This statement is not Islamophobic, nor is it a matter of interpretation of the Bible or the Qur’an, it is simply true.  Trust me, I am very much against Islamophobia, but I am also simultaneously against ignorance.  I don’t mean ‘ignorance’ in the insulting way, I mean it simply as the Dictionary definition of the word: lack of knowledge or information. The good news is, we don’t have to be ignorant in order to not be Islamophobic. 

I will show you simple passages from Jesus/the Bible and Muhammad/the Qur’an.  Questions that arise are likely answered in my articles I’ve linked to at the bottom of this page.  Regarding the KKK analogy and Islamophobia, I do understand the heart behind it and I want to validate that heart–there are a lot of similarities between the brutality and hatred of the KKK and ISIS and the feelings of loving Muslims toward ISIS are like the feelings of loving Christians toward the KKK.  This can and should help us Christians to empathize with the large number of loving, Cultural Muslims.  But the answer is not in falsely comparing the Bible to the Qur’an and saying they are the same when they are factually and objectively not (you just have to open the pages).  The answer is in comparing cultural Islam to fundamental Islam, something I write a lot about in the posts linked to below.

Klan-in-gainesville-kkk-isisIn looking at Jesus’ words in comparison to the Qur’an’s, one will find that the KKK is nothing like the Christian’s version of ISIS because they are the furthest version of Jesus or the Bible’s teaching, whereas ISIS is in line with the teachings of the Qur’an.  We need to hold a religion to what its founder said and did, not to what its contemporaries say and do, many of whom have completely neglected or forgotten the founder’s words.  Contemporaries will change through the ages.  Leaders will come and go.  Different doctrines and false doctrines will emerge.  But the founder and the original Scripture (whether Bible or Qur’an) text will never go away.  Ever.  No matter what anyone tries to change or reform, there will always always always be people who follow the founder and the original Scripture (whether Bible or Qur’an) text.  For the Bible, I am certainly one of them.

Jesus/Bible: (Matthew 5:38-47)

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?  And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?


Al-Ma’idah 5:33-34 says, “Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption (mischief) is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment…

(Al-Baqarah, 2:191, 193) says, And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing…And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshiping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone).” 

Al-Anfal 8:12-13  “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.” That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger – indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.

Al-Tawbah, 9:5 “And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way.

Muhammad 47:4-6 “So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost, to top He will guide them and set right their state. And admit them to Paradise which He has made known to them (i.e. they will know their places in Paradise more than they used to know their houses in the world).”

Related posts from Noah Filipiak on this subject:

Aren’t the killing commands in the Bible the same as the ones in the Qur’an?

Don’t Spread Injustice: Cultural Muslims are not the Same as Radical Muslims

What do Muslims believe? What’s the difference between Cultural and Radical Muslims?

Moderate Muslims Are Closer to Jesus than to Muhammad

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8 responses to Saying the KKK is to Christianity what ISIS is to Islam is not true

  1. Hi there,

    Just my two cents.. Actually the verses that you specifically taken out from the AL-Quran is out of context. It does not permit the killing of innocent lives in the Quran. Those that you took, was in the case of when the Non Muslim were attacking the Muslims first and ways to respond. Please research each verse according to the Seerah (history) of why Allah let down that verses. Cheers! Good effort by the way.
    I am just an atheist researcher in religions. But you were correct about the KKK disobeying the Christianity in the Bible.. But ISIS disobeys as the Al – Quran the same. I could write a whole thesis here but this is as simple as it gets. In simple logic terms, there is about 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world and if what you said is true, we would all be dead, ages ago. =)

    • “In simple logic terms, there is about 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world and if what you said is true, we would all be dead, ages ago. =)”

      That’s assuming 1.6 Muslims believe and follow what Muhammed said. If that were true, there’s 2 billion Christians in the world and the rest of us would all be loved and a whole lot more people would be looking like Jesus. C’mon, you’re an atheist, you know most people don’t actually do what they say they believe.

      • Have a lot of Muslim friends and none of them have expressed belief that they should go off an kill people because the Quran says so. Perhaps selective reading. But, let’s be honest. There is a lot of selective reading of the Bible as well. I don’t see too many Jews lining up non-believers, convincing them to get naked in order to be circumcised, then massacring them. But maybe I have not been paying enough attention to the news lately.

        • Hi Natalie, Anonymous and Francis – somehow I missed your comments when you posted them. It’s been over a year so I’ll wait to reply to them to see if any of you read this (you should get an email in your inbox) and if so, let me know and I’d be happy to dialogue with you. You all make good points that I’d be happy to interact with.

    • Don’t you see the comparison? Jesus says turn the other cheek, Mohammed said kill. There’s nothing out of context. Both refer how to react to persecution. My question to you would be which is more attractive? The one who shows love and mercy and forgiveness? Or the one who shows no mercy no forgiveness no love for one another? I would say the living God is the God of love not hate.

    • Yeah… No. The passages are not “out of context” because there is no limiting context in the first place to be found in the Qur’an, unlike any seeming call to violence in the Bible, Natalie. One also needs to understand, the reason we’re not all dead, is because, first, God is in charge, and there is a significant difference between nominal Muslims, and Qur’an following Islamist/Jihadists. I would like to suggest, that if you seriously were to seek the truth, with an open honest heart, as you continue researching the worlds religions… you will ultimately no longer be an athiest, but find yourself kneeling at the feet of Jesus Christ. God bless.

  2. Hmm okey well I really don’t understand you just find some Quran verses that you translate it as you want it to be just so serve your cause and you are not islamphobic I just wonder what makes you think that you understand what the founder of Islam says are you Muslim , you know how to speak Arabic , did you join an Islamic institute to study the religion a recognized one because that English Quran here yeah it’s a translate but no one on fucking earth use it in praying maybe it has to be Arabic do you even know about Christianity are you a pope or whatever the shit you call them how did you think that you have that power of knowledge which enables you to make a comparison
    lol I’m not gonna say we are peaceful and blah blah I’m sick of this shit I will play your dirty game

    By the way muslims don’t believe in bible they just don’t some say we believe in Jesus and bible well we do believe in Jesus and we knew that there were a good bible and true bible back in Jesus days before the roman bitches put their shit in their book
    And Europe in medieval age decided not to shower or use water by any chance in the name of god and the church

    Like WTF I rather be pagan and get killed but goddamit die as clean 1

    So just to put my ideas into consideration i got some verses from the Bible your holy book that I just can’t understand how you guys say theses to your child maybe or I imagine myself reading these bible verses in front of my mom she will fucking kill me

    30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”

    33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

    34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

    36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab[a]; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi[b]; he is the father of the Ammonites[c] of today.

    Hmm okey I think I saw a movie like that on bangbros it was like dad bangs daughters or some shit like that

    Ezekiel 23 ESV – Oholah and Oholibah – The word of the – Bible Gateway

    When she saw them, she lusted after them and sent messengers to them in Chaldea. 17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoring lust. And after she was defiled by them, she turned from them in disgust. 18 When she carried on her whoring so openly and flaunted her nakedness, I turned in disgust from her, as I had turned in disgust from her sister. 19 Yet she increased her whoring, remembering the days of her youth, when she played the whore in the land of Egypt 20 and lusted after her lovers there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose issue was like that of horses. 21 Thus you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when the Egyptians handled your bosom and pressed[c] your young breasts.”

    Oh this 1 is a good one
    Dicks like donkeys I believe him I’m Egyptian
    But seriously from what I understand your god really needs to get laid for cross sake

    Okey here is another 1

    2 Samuel 13:1-19New International Version (NIV)

    Amnon and Tamar

    13 In the course of time, Amnon son of David fell in love with Tamar, the beautiful sister of Absalom son of David.

    2 Amnon became so obsessed with his sister Tamar that he made himself ill. She was a virgin, and it seemed impossible for him to do anything to her.

    3 Now Amnon had an adviser named Jonadab son of Shimeah, David’s brother. Jonadab was a very shrewd man. 4 He asked Amnon, “Why do you, the king’s son, look so haggard morning after morning? Won’t you tell me?”

    Amnon said to him, “I’m in love with Tamar, my brother Absalom’s sister.”

    5 “Go to bed and pretend to be ill,” Jonadab said. “When your father comes to see you, say to him, ‘I would like my sister Tamar to come and give me something to eat. Let her prepare the food in my sight so I may watch her and then eat it from her hand.’”

    6 So Amnon lay down and pretended to be ill. When the king came to see him, Amnon said to him, “I would like my sister Tamar to come and make some special bread in my sight, so I may eat from her hand.”

    7 David sent word to Tamar at the palace: “Go to the house of your brother Amnon and prepare some food for him.” 8 So Tamar went to the house of her brother Amnon, who was lying down. She took some dough, kneaded it, made the bread in his sight and baked it. 9 Then she took the pan and served him the bread, but he refused to eat.

    “Send everyone out of here,” Amnon said. So everyone left him. 10 Then Amnon said to Tamar, “Bring the food here into my bedroom so I may eat from your hand.” And Tamar took the bread she had prepared and brought it to her brother Amnon in his bedroom. 11 But when she took it to him to eat, he grabbed her and said, “Come to bed with me, my sister.”

    12 “No, my brother!” she said to him. “Don’t force me! Such a thing should not be done in Israel! Don’t do this wicked thing. 13 What about me? Where could I get rid of my disgrace? And what about you? You would be like one of the wicked fools in Israel. Please speak to the king; he will not keep me from being married to you.” 14 But he refused to listen to her, and since he was stronger than she, he raped her.

    Good plan he had fun really raping his sister

    Okey last 1 because I’m sick oh this

    2 Samuel 11:1-17New International Version (NIV)

    David and Bathsheba

    11 In the spring, at the time when kings go off to war, David sent Joab out with the king’s men and the whole Israelite army. They destroyed the Ammonites and besieged Rabbah. But David remained in Jerusalem.

    2 One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, 3 and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, “She is Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite.” 4 Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (Now she was purifying herself from her monthly uncleanness.) Then she went back home. 5 The woman conceived and sent word to David, saying, “I am pregnant.”

    6 So David sent this word to Joab: “Send me Uriah the Hittite.” And Joab sent him to David. 7 When Uriah came to him, David asked him how Joab was, how the soldiers were and how the war was going. 8 Then David said to Uriah, “Go down to your house and wash your feet.” So Uriah left the palace, and a gift from the king was sent after him. 9 But Uriah slept at the entrance to the palace with all his master’s servants and did not go down to his house.

    10 David was told, “Uriah did not go home.” So he asked Uriah, “Haven’t you just come from a military campaign? Why didn’t you go home?”

    11 Uriah said to David, “The ark and Israel and Judah are staying in tents,[a] and my commander Joab and my lord’s men are camped in the open country. How could I go to my house to eat and drink and make love to my wife? As surely as you live, I will not do such a thing!”

    12 Then David said to him, “Stay here one more day, and tomorrow I will send you back.” So Uriah remained in Jerusalem that day and the next. 13 At David’s invitation, he ate and drank with him, and David made him drunk. But in the evening Uriah went out to sleep on his mat among his master’s servants; he did not go home.

    14 In the morning David wrote a letter to Joab and sent it with Uriah. 15 In it he wrote, “Put Uriah out in front where the fighting is fiercest. Then withdraw from him so he will be struck down and die.”

    U know what that mean
    It means that king Solomon is a
    Ba***** and I dont have the guts to say it

    So the summary of these that you can conclude if you know how to read that the prophets in bible are men who rape drunk alcohol fuck their daugthers

    so you convince me any 1 that this porngraphic shit are words from god and I swear to allah I will leave Islam and become Christian

    • Hi Boom, thank you for the comment. The Bible is a book of history, it tells what happened. What you didn’t mention is how God condemned every one of those evil actions that you mentioned. There was severe punishment given for each of them. The Bible is not a book of stories that we are supposed to follow how they did it; most of it (the entire Old Testament pretty much) is how people messed up and rebelled against God and how God punished them for it. We are not to follow their examples! The Bible is very clear on that. It’s all in the text. I hope that helps.

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