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East Lansing, MI is a very progressive city, priding themselves on inclusivity of all viewpoints and all types of people.  The cardinal sin in a progressive culture like East Lansing is to say that your view is the only correct view, and that others are wrong.  And it’s even worse to then take action against groups that you disagree with.

Country Mill Farms in Charlotte, MI has been banned from the East Lansing Farmer’s Market because they won’t perform gay weddings in their backyard in Charlotte.

The worst form of bigotry certainly comes when people are killing others because of their views or identity.  ISIS comes to mind, as do the Crusades, as does slavery of African-Americans and genocide of Native Americans.  Second to taking another’s life is taking their economic opportunity.  Slavery and subsequent Jim Crow laws are the glaring example here–centuries long economic deprivation of a people group that has profoundly shaped our country in the worst way.

So here is the city of East Lansing, discriminating against a Charlotte farmer who believes that marriage is meant to be between a man and a woman.  East Lansing is saying, “If you don’t agree with our views, you are wrong, and we will block you from economic opportunity because of it.” Continue Reading…

My friend Jim Decke and I recently did a sermon at Crossroads about homosexuality.  Jim shared his testimony of discovering he was gay at a very young age and the ups and downs of trying to get rid of this orientation.  Jim eventually gave up and just did as his sexual desires pleased, until eventually deciding to follow God in a path of singleness and celibacy.  Jim has a powerful and remarkable quote at the beginning of our talk:

Much of my time in this sermon is spent showing that the Bible indeed does say homosexual sex is a sin, regardless of the context it is in.  There are several ways to view the Bible, which I spell out in my part of the sermon but also have blogged about previously here.  I also make sure to point out the Bible never says that homosexual orientation or same sex attraction is a sin, only the behavior, something I’ve also blogged about previously.

If you want an easy to understand explanation of what the Bible says about homosexuality in its original languages (Greek and Hebrew), as well as its original context, I highly recommend What Does the Bible Really Teach About Homosexuality by Kevin DeYoung, which is the source I used for almost all of the biblical content of my portion of the sermon.  Pastor Kevin has also recently posted a very helpful blog about the debate (in response to Jen Hatmaker and Nicholas Wolterstorff recently saying homosexual sex within marriage is okay biblically), which you can read here.

I say this at the beginning of the sermon, but the point here is not to debate a point or to try to harp on homosexuals, it is that this has become a major biblical issue in today’s society and it’s important we are honest and clear about what the Bible says, and what people are saying the Bible says that it doesn’t actually say.  The Bible is the source of authoritative truth for our faith so it’s not something to be taken lightly.  In the process, we want to help people who struggle with homosexuality and same sex attraction in real, authentic, loving and compassion ways.

Please email Jim Decke if you struggle with homosexuality and want some support.  Also know he is hosting a support small group for people who are homosexual / have same sex attraction and are interesting in committing to abstaining from homosexual romantic relationships.



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What does the Bible say about women in church leadership?  The complementarian case.

Alright here goes, the theological issue that has single-handedly kept me awake at night more than any other: Women in church leadership (Can women be pastors, elders, etc.?).  Maybe it’s cut and dry for you; it used to be for me as well.  Maybe by the end of reading what I’m about to write, you’ll be awake at night too!  And maybe not.  Whatever the case, please read both of my articles on this topic.  I am publishing them simultaneously with the express purpose of helping one side see the merit in the other and to help address some of the many misunderstandings out there.  The two posts are:

The Accusation from Complementarians: Egalitarians are not Biblical.

The Accusation from Egalitarians: Complementarians are Sexist & Oppressors.

The reason the topic of women in ministry leadership has deprived me of so much sleep is because of my love for hermeneutics and because of my deep conviction that the Bible is God’s word.  If you throw out any of it, how can you trust any of it?  Hermeneutics refers to how we interpret the Bible, taking into account the cultural context, the author, the audience etc. and figuring out how to apply the timeless truth of a passage to today, a very different context from when it was written (i.e. Romans 16:16 Greet one another with a holy kiss.).  Some passages of Scripture require no hermeneutics at all.  1 Corinthians 15:3-4 and Galatians 1:6-9 are some homeruns in this category–so clean, so clear, so refreshing.  If only all texts were this way.  In all honesty, as I’ve thoroughly studied the Bible’s women in church leadership texts, I often feel exasperated that both views seem unbiblical!  And then I can’t sleep…

Some quick vocab:

Egalitarian – The belief that women and men are equal when it comes to church leadership.  That women can be senior / lead pastors or elders in the same way that men can.

Complementarian – The belief that women and men are different in function, but complement one another when it comes to church leadership.  Only men can be elders / lead pastors.

There is a relatively wide spectrum within each camp, but this gives you a basic framework so you can follow along.

While there is a related debate about men and women’s household roles, I will be focusing on church leadership roles.  Onward:

The Accusation from Egalitarians: Complementarians are Sexist & Oppressors

Due to their heart and convincing biblical argument, I will attempt to show that to accuse complementarians of being sexist or oppressors is to accuse God and the Bible of this.

Source: Freedom and Boundaries: A Pastoral Primer on the Role of Women in the Church by Kevin DeYoung

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AtaPodcastEpisode #2 of “Behind the Curtain” is here!

(Check out Episode 1 with Ken Wytsma here if you missed it)

Ted Kluck is the author of 15 books, including Why We’re Not Emergent and Why We Love the Church with Kevin DeYoung, autobiographies of Robert Griffin III, Jeremy Lin and Jim Kelly, and most recently The Dropbox and Household Gods.  In this episode, Ted and I discuss infertility, the underbelly of Christian publishing, Christian celebrityism and wanting to punch popular false teachers in the face (which I chastise myself for, don’t worry — we were actually discussing the tension between gossip/sin and the biblical mandate to rebuke/refute false teachers and false doctrine).  You will be challenged and encouraged by this thought-provoking episode.

You can find Ted online at where you can read his blog and see/purchase his books.

Ted and Zach’s publishing company empire:

Ted’s podcasts:  Happy Rant Podcast and the Gut Check Press Podcast.

Here’s where you can listen to “Behind the Curtain”:

Please subscribe via iTunes, which you can do here: applepodcasticon –if you like what you hear, it’d be awesome if you could leave a positive rating and review on iTunes, that goes a long ways in helping spread the word.

You can also listen and/or follow on Podbean here: podbeanlogo

Next Episode:

Will be interviewing Mike Morter, co-founder of the band Churchill:

Churchill’s hit single “Change” was released in 2012. The Change EP reached #9 on the Billboard Heatseekers chart and the hit single reached #17 on the Alternative Songs chart.

Churchill toured Europe with Pink, played on Jimmy Kimmel Live, and performed in the US with The Fray, Florence and the Machine, One Republic, Philip Phillips, Sarah Bareilles, Imagine Dragons and more.

Mike and I will talk about fame, being a celebrity, being around celebrities, touring, pressure, how Jesus and our identity in Christ can get muddled in that, and the insecurities that go with the ups and downs of the industry.

AtaPodcastI started a new podcast that looks at the emotional, psychological and spiritual burden of being in ministry leadership.  Each episode will feature an interview with a pastor, author, athlete, musician or non-profit leader.

I hope the podcast is helpful for you and the Church at large.  I think it offers something honest, raw and genuine that is sometimes missing in ministry conversations.

Please subscribe via iTunes, which you can do here: applepodcasticon –if you like what you hear, it’d be awesome if you could leave some positive feedback on iTunes, that goes a long ways in helping spread the word.

You can also listen and/or follow on Podbean here: podbeanlogo

I’d really appreciate it if you could share the podcast on your social media networks.

ken wytsma the grand paradox purusing justice the justice conference

Ken Wytsma

In the inaugural Behind the Curtain Ministry Podcast, we interview Ken Wytsma about spiritual fatigue, social justice fatigue, self-glory in pastors and authors, as well as how churchgoers can best care for their pastors.  Ken is the founding pastor in Bend, OR, the author of Pursuing Justice and The Grand Paradox and is the founder of The Justice Conference.

Ken’s Books:

Pursuing Justice: The Call to Live and Die for Bigger Things

The Grand Paradox: The Messiness of Life, the Mystery of God and the Necessity of Faith

Info on the June 5-6 Justice Conference in Chicago (as well as 20 simulcast locations):

Books mentioned in the interview:

Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership: Seeking God in the Crucible of Ministry by Ruth Haley Barton

Overrated: Are We More in Love with Changing the World than Actually Changing the World? by Eugene Cho

Where to find Ken online:

Blog: – You can search for skeptical questions you have about faith and find short answer video interviews addressing that topic.

Ted Kluck

Ted Kluck

Do your homework on our next podcast guest, Ted Kluck:

Household Gods: Freed from the Worship of Family to Delight in the Glory of God by Ted & Kristen Kluck

Finding God in the Dark: Faith, Disappointment and the Struggle to Believe by Ted Kluck & Ronnie Martin

Why We’re Not Emergent: By Two Guys Who Should Be by Ted Kluck & Kevin DeYoung

Why We Love the Church: In Praise of Institutions and Organized Religion by Ted Kluck & Kevin DeYoung

Ted’s website & blog:

While you’re in the podcast subscribing mood, you can subscribe to Ted’s Happy Rant Podcast and the Gut Check Press Podcast.